tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post1185405989904916863..comments2023-11-05T05:49:22.093-05:00Comments on The Breda Fallacy: at a glancebredahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00216098318849287384noreply@blogger.comBlogger113125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-71844444277329384462008-12-18T20:04:00.000-05:002008-12-18T20:04:00.000-05:00I am sorry I missed the early points of the debate...I am sorry I missed the early points of the debate.<BR/>Pawnbroker; You're just plain wrong. Accept it and move on.<BR/><BR/>Breda: Bravo and a half. I'm 6'6" and I have a smaller Space cushion than anyone. But I'd have taken him up by the scruff, and thrown him out just after that "Are you buying?" crack. If I'd been there with you and Mike, I'd have transcended my frail state, and put a Swartzenegger hand on his shoulder, and said "You've offended the lady! Apologise!" And squeesed the shoulder until she got a sincere apology, or he got a rotator cuff issue. <BR/><BR/>The guy was being a rude, deliberate bully, In My Humble Opinion, he's lucky to still be unskinned. Let him try that move with Tam, I promise I'll try to stop her -at great personal risk- if it looke like she's actually going to permanently kill him....John Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875185117306503147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-65207881983137992102008-12-17T17:32:00.000-05:002008-12-17T17:32:00.000-05:00Breda, Good For You, Good Job problem averted. Paw...Breda, Good For You, Good Job problem averted. Pawn Broker, You are obviously what I consider an expert. defined as Ex is a has been, Spurt is a drip under pressure. I have met individuals of your caliber and they are often panty waisted little men with no experience. A real keyboard Commando. Breda, I have fought for your right not to wear a burkha, for your right to give the Look to a Space invading Assclown. God Blees You and I hope myself and The prettypistolera can buy you an adult beverage at some point. <BR/>One good thing about trolls, they do not procreate, as they lack balls. BredaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-29913211462644498022008-12-17T13:10:00.000-05:002008-12-17T13:10:00.000-05:00Ignoring the troll:Good for you, Breda.Ignoring the troll:<BR/><BR/>Good for you, Breda.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05730143528740977761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-90296241091640078602008-12-17T08:27:00.000-05:002008-12-17T08:27:00.000-05:00Hey, that's a pretty unfair thing to say about the...Hey, that's a pretty unfair thing to say about the p'broker!<BR/><BR/>I know most gay men have higher standards than most straight women, but he's in a pretty low tier market.<BR/><BR/> And just look at that twinkle in his eye. <BR/><BR/>For all you know, he's the gay heartthrob of Chittlin' Switch, Florida!staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-46071036364153557262008-12-17T01:16:00.000-05:002008-12-17T01:16:00.000-05:00First I wish to apologize to everyone for introduc...First I wish to apologize to everyone for introducing crude and offensive language to this commentary. I seem to have started a tread of people throwing crass words at one another. Sorry<BR/><BR/>That said:<BR/> <BR/>“i'm sure you know a b---- when you see one, sweetie...”<BR/><BR/>Hey, at least I'm not the one who is butt hurt :)<BR/><BR/>The other response in a line from the movie The Highlander: Why, you cruzin' for a piece of ass :D <BR/><BR/>“points can have various facets that need to be argued seperately,”<BR/><BR/>“so, see what i mean clint? points can have various facets that need to be argued seperately,” <BR/><BR/>Except you never argued the points separately. (BTW, it is spelled with only two e's and please do use the shift key)<BR/><BR/>“but it does help for those pretending to follow along to have the capacity for multifacet, multilevel thought.”<BR/><BR/>RE-read my posts you'll see more than one layer, especially in my last post.<BR/><BR/>Remember it is NOT “multilevel thought” is you don't finish one level before going to the next.<BR/><BR/>“Pretending to follow along ” Funny, I seem to have forgotten the word that describes someone who accuses others of ones own actions. Can somebody help me out?<BR/><BR/>“and let's face it; i'm a sucker for using others' own words, insults, and pathetic attempts at humor against them. “<BR/><BR/>(A)Which is why you are using this post as an expression of your latent homosexually??<BR/><BR/>My insult was referring to you as a yapping and whining old has-been. Not the prison version. I think you really have a problem misplacing your own fears and short comings on other people and their remarks.<BR/><BR/>Your entire problem was with a woman displaying confidence to back down a no-good creep. Maybe he didn't know what he was doing, maybe he didn't care, maybe he knew and was trying to see how far he could get. It does not matter. Breda (or for that matter “the woman”) was not allowed to use conflict avoidance level one (he blocked her in) so she resorted to level two. And did so Very successfully. In all of your multiple levels, you never answered, fully, why it is a problem.(B)Clinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12192263071617818017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-84318925542050163492008-12-17T00:52:00.000-05:002008-12-17T00:52:00.000-05:00Never before have I seen such a long run-on senten...Never before have I seen such a long run-on sentence in a post...till now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-12971995832313249192008-12-17T00:11:00.000-05:002008-12-17T00:11:00.000-05:00My take the guy was hitting on her and she gave hi...My take the guy was hitting on her and she gave him the look " back off and I mean it" He interpreted the look and backed off, Social cue given and accepted. The is the low intensity way men and women often give cues. He was pushy and she indicated she did not like it.<BR/><BR/> Women who are too nice and who give way without comment often are inadvertently inviting further advances. Pawnbroker is obviously a man who will not react in the same manner. Then again another male does not commonly hit on him. Women recognize the maneuver and have a different set of responses. The responses don't indicate physical violence but rather verbal escalation.<BR/><BR/>I understand that Pawnbroker felt her nonverbal message might have needed back up by her husband. He is looking at it from a male point of view that he may have to pay the price of her failure to give ground gracefully.<BR/><BR/>I have done the same “ don’t mess with me look” to dogs, horses, kids and other adults when needed. It does work it is attitude that you don’t take crap. I have done that look without back up. I refused to be afraid because I am a small woman. Funny that attitude is always been respected. I also never carry a gun, laws do not allow that in my state.<BR/><BR/> It is similar when a man put s his hand on your arm, trying mild physical intimidation and in a low intense voice, the response is” Take you hand off me” The implied response is you will scream it next time and make a scene. The man removes his hand.<BR/><BR/>In upper class bars that is all that is needed. Bars that have the reputation of violence are one that I would not be in knowingly.<BR/><BR/>I believe Breda reason for posting is she felt good of the fact her confidence in herself has results and she no longer has to apologize and submit to get out of that type of situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-56757263706993839682008-12-16T22:53:00.000-05:002008-12-16T22:53:00.000-05:00"but now even i'm bored, so..."...so you'll be ref..."but now even i'm bored, so..."<BR/><BR/>...so you'll be refreshing this page every five minutes, seeing as this is the most attention you've ever gotten on the internet. Gotcha.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14277406782786889424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-29835391868095899632008-12-16T22:44:00.000-05:002008-12-16T22:44:00.000-05:00i'm sure you know a bitch when you see one, sweeti...i'm sure you know a bitch when you see one, sweetie...but if you or any of the others who are both too ignorant to understand a multilayered point and objection, and so dismissive of breda's own intellect to presume to speak for her, you would realize that the progression from serious discussion to hilarious funfest (well, for me anyway) was presaged by her complete lack of any acknowledgement or response to two simple irrefutable facts: she escalated (only in her mind fortunately) what was almost certainly, and contrary to the villainous imaginings of some here, a drunk being a drunk being told firmly to back off and doing so, to the wildly fantastic belief that some secret laser stare tactic shocked and awed his very soul, claiming inspiration from and devaluing from real war conditions to an f'n brewhouse ninja battlecry an uncontexted lifedependent reminder to real life soldiers, and in the process ignoring the probable influence of her large husband at her side.<BR/>well, she later said hubby was oblivious to the whole thing till she filled him in outside, but of course we know from her original story that she alerted him immediately to the invasion of her "bubble"...and what does it say of the true nature of this salacious invader's real actions that the woman's husband, at her side and on his feet, was completely unaware that his petite wife was being assaulted?<BR/><BR/>well, lies, self-delusion and literary puffery are one thing, but of course ms. fallacy (her name for herself, not mine, so back off bitchboy) is a genuine internet sensation, role model, guns for chicks promoter, erstwhile trainer, blogcast personality (hey, why are my ears burning? oh, yeah she's on right now), and all-around great gal. and i'm not being facetious when i say i have admired her for all of that. but if she really believes (and i don't think she does because she allowed others in her stead to characterize her imaginings as just figures of speech) the fallacy (now that one was mine) that she was in fact assaulted under her husbands watchful eye and without his knowledge, that her look and simple words to the boor placed him in fear for his very life and not just woke him from his fog, and that a constant inventory of the people in her vicinity and how she might kill their villainous asses, are all a great blueprint for all the heretofore helpless men, women, and children...and bitches, clint...then she has become a dangerous figment and victim of her own imagination.<BR/><BR/>as for her subsequent comments, go back and cut and paste them all in order...not much there, and no wonder. she was being cheered, protected, interpreted, and ultimately supplanted in all material discussion, by most of the hundred or so who commented here (well, minus my ten or so and the 2 1/2 who dared run the righteous gauntlet). most, with a few notable exceptions, with the real experience, knowledge, and maturity to dissect the episode, its implications, and its expanded effect on others, have abstained. and hell, a hundred is a slow day for a fucking cat cartoon (sorry ahab, i know you love yer kitties...and hey sorry about the arab thing, i guess i was hearing that song...shit now i'm hearing it again). but those abstainers, unlike me, seem to dislike arguing with a fencepost (sorry, you fenceposts up there). me, well to me it's good clean fun, and having the side of right and good is always a bigass bonus.<BR/><BR/>so, see what i mean clint? points can have various facets that need to be argued seperately, but it does help for those pretending to follow along to have the capacity for multifacet, multilevel thought. but if not, wtf, still a good time and a good way to piss away some time, and let's face it; i'm a sucker for using others' own words, insults, and pathetic attempts at humor against them.<BR/><BR/>but now even i'm bored, so...the pawnbrokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643081755036536592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-48553214858808016172008-12-16T22:17:00.000-05:002008-12-16T22:17:00.000-05:00Good comment Clint - the train of Pawnbroker's com...Good comment Clint - the train of Pawnbroker's comments actually reminded me of trying to have a debate/discussion with an anti-gunner.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-32639107712025250212008-12-16T20:44:00.000-05:002008-12-16T20:44:00.000-05:00“well, finally...a good and serious question. let'...“well, finally...a good and serious question. let's put that one to breda, 'cuz as many have said "she was there". ”<BR/><BR/>Well PB I'm going to tell you something that everyone else in this conversation now knows. You see, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with your arguments being multiple and interchanging, but I see clearly now that my generosity was misplaced.<BR/><BR/>But first I wish to point out a flaw in your methods. For “my” question, it does not matter what others say about your commentary because “I” have not yet dismissed your opinion. However you have dismissed me, and others, by not answering the “good and serious question” that was placed before you. It does NOT work to your advantage to tell people that your views are so important THEN refuse to participate when your views are sought out. By the way, we already know Breda's response. She DID it; at the moment of truth no less. Also you just publicly stated you have not dog in this fight.<BR/><BR/>What is So. Painfully. Obvious. to the rest of us is that you are, in fact, intellectually dishonest.<BR/><BR/>You have debated, no, you have whined about Breda's actions, THEN you whined about her explanation. You have repeated flipped back and forth between any one of SEVERAL arguments depending on which way you could phase your point to look smarter than everybody else.<BR/><BR/>You, PB, have begun numerous “debates” from one point of view only to change when your point was countered. You take “view A” initially to rebuke Breda. When others counterpoint your point, you then switched to “view B” which either ignores the counterpoints or trivializes them, but never refuting them. However, when your “view B” is rebuked you then switch to “view C” and begin the cycle anew. I'm not saying this for your benefit as I doubt you are actually reading this with the intention of understanding it's intent and meaning. Rather you read to find something to argue about or, more recently, dismiss. No, this is not for your benefit, rather it is for the benefit of everyone else reading. Those who actually care.<BR/><BR/>You remind me of the passive/aggressive woman that so troubles her husband. She can NEVER be wrong because if she can't win using reason she inverts the issue to one of emotional appeal.(“Not everything can be explained by reason/Its the just how I feel about it”) And when her husband makes an impassioned plea to respect the feelings and concerns of others, she ridicules him for not being logical.(“Now you are just being silly/I have my reasons for doing it my way.”)<BR/><BR/>Yes Pawnbroker, I'm calling you a Bitch....<BR/><BR/>Breda, I recommend banning this Troll!Clinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12192263071617818017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-47738679476819406812008-12-16T16:49:00.000-05:002008-12-16T16:49:00.000-05:00102! dingdingding! yeahbabyyeah!okay, everybody ki...102! dingdingding! yeahbabyyeah!<BR/><BR/>okay, everybody kick in a tenspot and breda gets her 1911! me first? okeydokey...the pawnbrokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643081755036536592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-34561378445491422062008-12-16T15:44:00.000-05:002008-12-16T15:44:00.000-05:00Was Pawnbroker the guy at the bar?Was Pawnbroker the guy at the bar?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-80758443185895407452008-12-16T13:29:00.000-05:002008-12-16T13:29:00.000-05:00I am glad to say I have never seen a spade. It is ...I am glad to say I have never seen a spade. It is obvious that our social spheres have been widely different.staghoundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976667812875074135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-40327264356647998372008-12-16T13:26:00.000-05:002008-12-16T13:26:00.000-05:00Zendo - pocketknife is probably OK in bars in OH. ...Zendo - pocketknife is probably OK in bars in OH. They're usually not considered "deadly weapons" and can be carried almost anywhere.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-10076320286129973652008-12-16T13:03:00.000-05:002008-12-16T13:03:00.000-05:00Xavier, you may not have to have a plan to kill ev...Xavier, you may not have to have a plan to kill everyone you meet, but you are aware of the threat level around you. When do you recognize an attack in progress?<BR/><BR/>A big guy crowding into me - this went beyond encroaching on personal space - in an environment where that is not warranted, is immediately pushed all the way into the highest threat zone. I would consider you rubbing your body against me a prelude to an attack in this situation. (If you bump into me in a crowd, that is different of course, but I would still look to see if you were a pickpocket.) I would have said something from the beginning of that interaction, not waited until the end.<BR/><BR/>Breda, firearms are illegal in Ohio bars, but what about pepper spray or stun guns? Not my favorite choice, but you have to make do with what is available.Zendo Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00094772654735415974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-50213578894803173602008-12-16T13:01:00.000-05:002008-12-16T13:01:00.000-05:00At this point I no longer care about the comment t...At this point I no longer care about the comment thread. I just want to see it go to 100.alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04152504268166466779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-37731940698398314142008-12-16T12:01:00.000-05:002008-12-16T12:01:00.000-05:00What? Women standing up to boors, and not slinking...What? Women standing up to boors, and not slinking away like the prey that they are? What next? Pretty soon they'll be reading books and forming the capability for abstract thought! What then? WHAT THEN?<BR/><BR/>Pawnbroker: In for a penny, in for a pound, huh?<BR/><BR/>I would advise you to stop digging while you still had a shred of respect left among members of this community, but I think we passed that point about 50 comments ago...Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14277406782786889424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-91930057587196931502008-12-16T11:34:00.000-05:002008-12-16T11:34:00.000-05:00I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD!!! ...I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD!!! <BR/>This whole thing shows, if nothing else, what an opinion and a keyboard are capable of. <BR/><BR/>Jeebus H. on a crutch. The guy may have been just a rude asshole. He may have been in the place to long and his drunken tunnel vision was all that was working. Or he could have been some kinda Perv. <BR/><BR/>Doesn't matter. <BR/><BR/>She gave him one of "Those looks" and said only 2 words. And that was that. <BR/><BR/>Really pretty simple. Well done, Breda.Grumpyunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13494777446194872126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-17499355727932076852008-12-16T10:02:00.000-05:002008-12-16T10:02:00.000-05:00I don't know that I'm qualified. I HAVE been shot,...I don't know that I'm qualified. I HAVE been shot, several times, so I guess I'm not pitching, so to speak, just catching. I AM qualified to say this, though, being a husband and a father and a son of women, that anyone who treats a woman rudely deserves a dressing down at the very least, and a swing to the jaw under normal circumstances, and if he's particularly rude, a lot more. Anyone disagree with that? you're wrong. Period. End of question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-89644063946560037462008-12-16T09:36:00.000-05:002008-12-16T09:36:00.000-05:00Something I didn't think of until last night was t...Something I didn't think of until last night was that this guy might have been practicing Frottage. Itis defined in The Free Dictionary as "the act of rubbing againt the body of another person, as in a crowd, to attain sexual gratification."<BR/>Now I know this is a little known sexual deviation BUT, as a former Parole officer working with sex offenders, I tink it's possible this is what was going on. <BR/><BR/>STILL think Breda overreacted?HollyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17644166795449256850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-7140602285916925032008-12-16T09:15:00.000-05:002008-12-16T09:15:00.000-05:00clint to pb: "One more question: If it was one of ...clint to pb: "One more question: If it was one of your granddaughters in the bar during her 20's and a big man was crowding her, after your granddaughter politely asks the mean man for some space; What should she do when he says “No” and starts making moves at that point?"<BR/><BR/>well, finally...a good and serious question. let's put that one to breda, 'cuz as many have said "she was there".<BR/><BR/>mr. dog: "Sarcasm, veiled ad hominem attacks, and an artful protestation of innocent confusion -- why, that masterful performance puts even Gunkid's best try to shame."<BR/><BR/>high praise from a pro, "old salt", thank ya.<BR/><BR/>c'mon one hundred!<BR/><BR/>jtc<BR/><BR/>wv: prebar...well, now protocol might have been a little different then...y'know, like sober and armed?the pawnbrokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643081755036536592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-57450481909714580502008-12-16T08:48:00.000-05:002008-12-16T08:48:00.000-05:00experience and credibilityLawDog: career law-enfor...<I>experience and credibility</I><BR/><BR/>LawDog: career law-enforcement officer, respected self defense author.<BR/><BR/>Pax: Editor of Concealed Carry magazine, author of "Cornered Cat", moderator at TFL, respected self-defense author.<BR/><BR/>Tam: Professional Gunperson, moderator at TFL, also a respected self-defense author.<BR/><BR/>Ahab: former military LE, also a respected self-defense author.<BR/><BR/>Pawnbroker: ???<BR/><BR/>Does anyone else see a pattern here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-22410578026664068472008-12-16T08:33:00.000-05:002008-12-16T08:33:00.000-05:00*showing proper deference* mr. dog? opines? oh, yo...<I>*showing proper deference* mr. dog? opines? oh, you mean said...no need to use simple language when a properly obfuscatory and ill-contexted one will do, requirement of the trade i guess...do you mean where commenting on xavier's comment i invited others of similar maturity and experience to join in? are you questioning his? experience and credibility is as experience and credibility does, mr. dog sir...i do know that suggesting that people in bars actively invite escalation of minor infringements with drunken boors is the epitome of malpractice, and that speaking for another while professing her to be completely capable of defending herself belies credibility, mr. dog (esq? don't know. don't care.), sir.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, that was an absolutely <I>beautiful</I> tap-dance around my question. Bra-<I>vo</I> sir.<BR/><BR/>Sarcasm, veiled <I>ad hominem</I> attacks, <I>and</I> an artful protestation of innocent confusion -- why, that masterful performance puts even Gunkid's best try to shame.LawDoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05232684877582591461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-6500699814331108382008-12-16T07:46:00.000-05:002008-12-16T07:46:00.000-05:00As for me, when someone invades my personal space,...As for me, when someone invades my personal space, I fart. My farts are considered weapons of mass destruction, and violate the Geneva Convention. <BR/><BR/>Breda, on the other hand, is too ladylike to do such a thing. So what she did was utterly appropriate. And in fact, most people who have experienced my farts first hand would rather have been shot, and all she did was glare at the guy. he got off easy.<BR/><BR/>Captcha: Rativia. Activia for Rats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com