tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post8613370038143937074..comments2023-11-05T05:49:22.093-05:00Comments on The Breda Fallacy: worth a thousand wordsbredahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00216098318849287384noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-7237507120433495952011-02-21T00:02:36.787-05:002011-02-21T00:02:36.787-05:00This isn't about limits being placed on rights...This isn't about limits being placed on rights with the implicit "by others".<br /><br />This is choosing to act in a way so as to cause less concern while exercising those rights. When there's no "upside" to an action, why do it just because you can? <br /><br />OC is legal, MI OC-ers have already won the big battle and have the law on their side. When someone violates the law, why not just politely inform them of that and take legal action? Why on earth be "in your face'? Why stir up the undeceided at all, file the paperwork and watch them fold.<br /><br />Given the legal circumstances it is very hard to not consider this incident deliberate confrontation for the sake of confrontation and the attention gained thereby.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05414687981098467556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-78989090951210140842011-02-18T14:07:10.579-05:002011-02-18T14:07:10.579-05:00John -
Double posting does not for a Better arguem...John -<br />Double posting does not for a Better arguement make. <br /><br />One, the U.S. Constitution tells the 'government' what it can and can't do to it's citizens. The Founding Fathers understood that for self determining Republic to work we wood have to self regulate. <br />By your logic I should be able to yell fire in a crowed theater anytime I want. Who cares if there's an actual fire or not. They're standard of conduct built into all our rights.<br /><br />Question, should I be allowed to carry at your house even if you don't want me to (just an example I don't know you). If you don't let me, are you infringing on 2nd Amendment rights?<br />There are limits to our exercising of our rights.<br /><br />Just my thoughts. Oh, wait the Founders said similar things. Hmmm...<br /><br />Your and others arguement seem to me to just be dictating to others how and what they should think and feel. In stead of using logic and reasoning to convince them.<br /><br />JoshJosh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-22829148960455783682011-02-18T12:51:12.940-05:002011-02-18T12:51:12.940-05:002nd Amendment
the right of the people to keep a...2nd Amendment<br /> the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. <br /><br />Now lets start infringing, <br />Sullivan Act, it dates to 1911, and is still in force, making it one of the older existing gun control laws in the United States. the Sullivan Act qualifies as a may issue act, meaning the local police have discretion to issue a concealed carry license.<br /><br />For a gun rights advocate, to admonish a citizen of the United States For carrying any gun of any type<br />in any manner. says that personal feelings have overridden, Shall Not Be Infringed.<br /><br />Now those with personal feelings get together, get with your state personal feelings representatives and petition for a new law to restrict the type of open carry firearm and restrict where the citizen can carry, citizen must be well dressed, clean shave, Also race should be considered? This is why the Sullivan Act was started.<br /><br />Just a thought, Open Carry or Concealed Carry and your rights, I wander how many citizens that disregarded the 2nd Amendment. and fought with their feelings to keep you from possessing your gun, and whether they also belonged to a Gun Rights Organization, or Forum.<br /><br />Remember the Kids!!<br />Just My Feelings.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07147044686902902800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-30930926868221880032011-02-18T12:50:29.107-05:002011-02-18T12:50:29.107-05:002nd Amendment
the right of the people to keep a...2nd Amendment<br /> the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. <br /><br />Now lets start infringing, <br />Sullivan Act, it dates to 1911, and is still in force, making it one of the older existing gun control laws in the United States. the Sullivan Act qualifies as a may issue act, meaning the local police have discretion to issue a concealed carry license.<br /><br />For a gun rights advocate, to admonish a citizen of the United States For carrying any gun of any type<br />in any manner. says that personal feelings have overridden, Shall Not Be Infringed.<br /><br />Now those with personal feelings get together, get with your state personal feelings representatives and petition for a new law to restrict the type of open carry firearm and restrict where the citizen can carry, citizen must be well dressed, clean shave, Also race should be considered? This is why the Sullivan Act was started.<br /><br />Just a thought, Open Carry or Concealed Carry and your rights, I wander how many citizens that disregarded the 2nd Amendment. and fought with their feelings to keep you from possessing your gun, and whether they also belonged to a Gun Rights Organization, or Forum.<br /><br />Remember the Kids!!<br />Just My Feelings.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07147044686902902800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-8494463432757053862011-02-18T10:30:47.773-05:002011-02-18T10:30:47.773-05:00They are not helping normalize OC. Not helping.
A...<i>They are not helping normalize OC. Not helping.</i><br /><br />And this is the only point us "fudds" (as some folks on OCDO are calling us) are trying to make.<br /><br />We are not saying you don't have the right. We are not saying we won't defend your right, nor do we have any desire to make it illegal.<br /><br />We are on your side. All of this macho "all these bloggers are fudds / anti's" is petulant, idiotic and counterproductive. Sadly it also proves the point that Breda and others have made.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-89095246334590269612011-02-18T09:46:01.523-05:002011-02-18T09:46:01.523-05:00Tanksoldier -
If the stated goal of the OC moveme...Tanksoldier -<br /><br />If the stated goal of the OC movement is to normalize the perseption of gun carrier as normal and non-threatening.<br />How does wondering around armed to the teeth do this?<br />Our arguement is not is it legal or should it be baned, but the wisdom carrrying things that might alarm the public.<br />Let's get the public used to seeing us carry hand guns before we up the anty to the big guns. <br /><br />Let's not knock the fence sitters off the fence into the yard of gun control by being obnoxious. <br /><br />Let's keep the horse before the cart. <br /><br />JoshJosh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-27731140553014850742011-02-18T07:38:08.044-05:002011-02-18T07:38:08.044-05:00What a well reasoned and rational reply to such a ...What a well reasoned and rational reply to such a serious topic. I am proud to be supported by such obvious pro-2A supporters as Kristopher.<br /><br />After all, with friends like him, who needs enemies?Rich Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07376488014524723403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-14272874270593020802011-02-18T05:13:29.514-05:002011-02-18T05:13:29.514-05:00He was playing teenager macho flash games.
Delibe...He was playing teenager macho flash games.<br /><br />Deliberately trying to "freak the mundanes".<br /><br />I can walk around my own town with a loaded AK held at port arms instead of a pistol ... but unless I have a damned good reason to do so, I won't.<br /><br />Stop trying to make excuses for this dumbass kid. He wanted to be an dick about it, and he succeeded.<br /><br />As far as I am concerned, one may take this passive aggressive bad-fuddies-not-supporting-us-OC-warriors crap and shove it sideways.<br /><br />They are not helping normalize OC. Not helping.<br /><br />Stop trying to be on my side, dumbass.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-83501235867102530282011-02-17T22:58:55.815-05:002011-02-17T22:58:55.815-05:00Yep. He was walking around with something perfectl...Yep. He was walking around with something perfectly legal in his hand.<br /><br />Don't drive the speed limit, they might pass a law lowering it. Don't own a gun, they might outlaw them.<br /><br />The fact that GUN people are having such an issue illustrates the problem.tanksoldierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04160316039546071989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-89558526463722779672011-02-17T22:46:10.014-05:002011-02-17T22:46:10.014-05:00Perhaps after the massive shit storm that erupted ...Perhaps after the massive shit storm that erupted he decided to stop carrying the shotgun.<br /><br /><i>So where was this joker when the real warriors were fighting for a concealed-carry bill in Michigan not that many years ago? Where were all of his friends and supporters?</i><br /><br />Being that he was around ten years old at the time probably being a kid. Being that the current shall issue law passed around 2001 which is around ten years ago and he's under 21 now.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435365967192581026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-6826006744560637342011-02-17T22:46:00.265-05:002011-02-17T22:46:00.265-05:00Perhaps after the massive shit storm that erupted ...Perhaps after the massive shit storm that erupted he decided to stop carrying the shotgun.<br /><br /><i>So where was this joker when the real warriors were fighting for a concealed-carry bill in Michigan not that many years ago? Where were all of his friends and supporters?</i><br /><br />Being that he was around ten years old at the time probably being a kid. Being that the current shall issue law passed around 2001 which is around ten years ago and he's under 21 now.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435365967192581026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-54784821604450809152011-02-17T18:31:07.888-05:002011-02-17T18:31:07.888-05:00So where was this joker when the real warriors wer...So where was this joker when the real warriors were fighting for a concealed-carry bill in Michigan not that many years ago? Where were all of his friends and supporters?<br /><br />Now they want to come along after all that work was done by others and pretend to be part of the pro-team by picking an asinine fight that didn't even need to be fought and is only making all of us gun owners look unbalanced. Phooey.<br /><br />And I agree with the other posters--if you're going to dress like a slob, don't stand near us or claim to be with us.<br /><br />Full disclosure: My H&K P7M-13 conceals quite nicely under my suit jacket and it looks damned respectable if/when I take that jacket off in certain venues where I know that it won't cause problems.Murphy's Lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17164780742334950772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-5856005516685287492011-02-17T17:59:48.743-05:002011-02-17T17:59:48.743-05:00Breda, can I add to your excellent list of rules f...Breda, can I add to your excellent list of rules for Open Carry?<br /><br />6. Wear a dress shirt (with collar). Yes, it has to be pressed. Up to you if you want heavy starch, but you have to look like the guy that the library ladies would like to date their daughter.<br /><br />7. Wear slacks (chinos are OK). Yes, they have to be pressed, too. Ladies, you get double plus crazy style points for a (tasteful) skirt. Remember, you need to look to the library ladies like the daughter-in-law that they'd like to have.<br /><br />8. Sneakers are a no-no. Ideally, you wear dress shoes, but if you want to "walk on the wild side", then cowboy boots are OK. Yes, whatever is on your feet has to be shined.<br /><br />9. Shave.<br /><br />10. If you have tattoos, make sure they're covered up.<br /><br />Yes, this is boring. <i><b>That;s the point.</b></i> You want to look like the sort of person that a normal, curious person will strike up a conversation with. As far as "edgy", remember that the gat on your hip gives you extra crazy edgy points. You don't need anymore.<br /><br />Quite frankly, if you can't dress like you would to go to church, don't OC. You're hurting the team.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-12293311010437189712011-02-17T17:15:31.650-05:002011-02-17T17:15:31.650-05:00Interesting. I can remember many people being rabi...Interesting. I can remember many people being rabidly against drop leg holsters when they were listing 'rules' about being clean shaven and never wearing camo.Rich Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07376488014524723403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-6638028796137038622011-02-17T16:32:00.864-05:002011-02-17T16:32:00.864-05:00Joshkie
your suggestion of using a tactical thigh ...Joshkie<br />your suggestion of using a tactical thigh rig is good!<br /> Keeps it visible while staying warm, has a bit of that "in your face" attention getting ability some of them want, yet still has a cachet of official carrier of handguns look to it. Plus a dash of Star Wars' Han Solo style for the older crowd of Baby Boomers. [bonus points if packing a Broomhandle Mauser... :) ]<br /><br />Might be a win-win for all sides of this argument over acceptable forms of OC.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-39959582741428913712011-02-17T14:24:48.705-05:002011-02-17T14:24:48.705-05:00Wow, with deductive reasoning like that who could ...Wow, with deductive reasoning like that who could argue...sigh. <br />I wonder if any ones ever told him they make tactical holsters that ride lower on the thigh and could wear his a jacket to the waist. <br />Looking at him he might even think it would up his cool factor. <br /><br />JoshJosh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-3685162640670753192011-02-17T13:56:21.617-05:002011-02-17T13:56:21.617-05:00That is a serious set of key rings there. I can on...That is a serious set of key rings there. I can only imagine what wondrous doors such keys would open... and what mysteries they would unlock.wecrosscreekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14048376947954240072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32278169577563552.post-8660302470002742602011-02-17T13:35:07.139-05:002011-02-17T13:35:07.139-05:00Wannabe badass/mall ninja.
Wonder if his parent...Wannabe badass/mall ninja. <br /><br />Wonder if his parents had any kids that were born with a brain.instincthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17891346937398300935noreply@blogger.com